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I'm using a windows 8 samsung np510r5e with 6 gigs of ram. What seems to happen is that often times when I'm playing, I'll hold the sustain pedal but the notes don't stay.
For instance, If I play a chord with my left hand, and then do a bunch of notes with my right hand the left hand chord abruptly disappears. I know that I have the polyphony set too it's max (160.) Sometimes they disappear without me playing hardly any notes. Also, sometimes they make a high pitched pop sound on disappearance. The pop sound sounds like when you touch to hot wires together. Also, it doesn't act up like this ALL the time. Sometimes it's fine but I know that I couldn't depend on it live.
It seems worst when I first start up the vst, and when I've woken up my laptop from sleep. Also, when I press the record button on Ableton for some reason the CPU level seems to spike up to 110% for a few seconds and then comes back down to normal. I don't know if that's rare of if it's something unusual and means something. It seems often times if I just turn off and on my PC and then try that it does way better. I have some additional questions. Could the midi chord I'm using have anything to do with this?. What is the typical sample rate people use for their daw for recording piano solos?.
Any Ivory users know if putting changing the memory settings to high or low help? It didn't seem to help me. I know vsts typically have a low quality setting for slow computers so I figured that's what they meant by the memory low-high-medium switch. You have NO idea how ticked off I would be if this was simply a matter of ram. THAT'S why I bought a laptop with 6 gigs instead of a cheaper one for 4. I just feel like there's GOT to be some other solution than my pc.
Also I am using the 32 bit version of ableton. Ableton 64 bit version has a really gay feature, you can ONLY use 64 bit plugins. With ableton 32 bit you can use both 32 and 64.
A lot of the plugins I use for electronic music are only 32 bit, so I can't really use the 64 bit version of my DAW. 'Gay' is not a pejorative. Don't use it as such.
Your 32-bit version of Ableton can only access 4GB of your RAM, no matter how much you have in your machine. And as that RAM includes the running operating system and any open apps, the memory available to load samples is significantly less. As has been said, this is most likely why you're getting 'note culling' issues far below your max.
Polyphony setting. The best solution is, I'm afraid, to switch up to the 64-bit version of Ableton, update any VSTs that have 64-bit versions, use jBridge to bring 32-bit only VSTs with you and then you can continue to add RAM to your machine until your culling issues are gone. It won't be your midi cord.
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Sometimes it is other programs or windows itself screwing around in the background that will give you the crackles, because they steal memory/cpu power. Even if you have a lot of CPU and memory, they can still steal it away. See if your VST or Ableton folders are indexed in the and turn it off if they are.
Close all other programs while you are using Abelton-especially programs that use sound. I would also try turning down the polyphony to 128 (or lower). It could be reserving too much room in your memory that you don't actually need. A final thing would be to make sure you don't have any unnecessary effects turned on (or ones that hog memory/CPU power). In theory, also turning up the 'buffer' wherever that is in Ableton should help but usually this is only the solution if you are constantly getting crackles. You should definitely be able to play a single piano VST without problem with 6 GB of ram. (unless the vst itself is crappy and a giant memory hog on its own).
I sounds like a polyphony issue, are there any settings in the vst about how many voices are active at any time? I use ableton8, but dont remember seeing anything reguarding that. It might also be a streaming issue, since the samples are so large and many, it might be waiting for them to stream off the drive in realtime. If you've purchased the vst(vs pirating) you should have support, you may want to send off an email. Or a phone# to them and see what they think.
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It might also be a simple midi mapping issue with your sustain pedal. Ivory is 40 gigs. I had to buy it. I've been working on my piano album for years now and I wasn't going to settle for less. I tried intensely pirating that thing for a couple weeks. I'm convinced it's unpiratable.
For digital plugins with a smallish file size, yeah whatever you can find it. Once you get to sample based vsts that are like 40 gigs or more, no one is gonna bother to upload that crap. They'd have to make an iLok crack as well. Shoot, I've seen a piano vst that was 500 gigs. Who would take the weeks for thy to upload that to pirate bay?
Well it would be interesting to see, but the plain and simple fact is that in a capitalist economy you have to somehow find a way for consumers to give money to you the developer. Otherwise, they're just volunteering their services, which is awfully nice of them, but there's no way you can make a living that way. I'm all for more open systems, but piracy (with rare exceptions) is a form of stealing for the most part. And I'm not even talking about laws. I don't give a fuck about laws, I'm talking about ethics.
Oh, I understand that the individual act of piracy is problematic - I'm just more interested in the collective effects. Obviously piracy in an isolated system would decrease revenue. However I did come across some research (C Peukert's 2013 study) suggesting that for smaller movies at least, piracy results in a larger paying fan base as the pirates talk about the movie to people who do buy the product. They also cite previous research on music piracy which is mixed - the paper criticizes some of them for taking a homogeneous approach (lumping in big and small artists together). Algorithms in c robert sedgewick pdf 3rd edition. Anecdotally, there are people who pirate software as a way of demoing it and end up buying it if it fits their tastes but I'm not sure how common people actually buy it (verses just saying that they will buy it and not doing it).
I'd like to see a controlled prospective investigation, but I'm not sure how to do that without an absurd budget and/or the cooperation of file sharing websites. Bad DRM (which is 90% of the DRM systems out there) turns away many potential buyers, and overall screws paid customers anyway. Few examples: Tages is horrendous, I bought a game (DVD), which installed just fine, but Tages is such a piece of shit that will only work when you put the DVD in a supported DVD drive. Which wasn't my case, because I had a laptop.
So I couldn't play that game. Denuvo sparked some discussions about how it 'destroys' SSDs because of its contant writes to the disk. Now, that has been mostly proven wrong (thanks to better SSDs) but it has certainly driven away a lot of potential customers. Ilok is just.my god. We've been trying to move away from physical media, and have the important stuff in the cloud for years, but then comes Ilok. I personally was thinking on buying Synthogy Ivory II. I've pirated Ivory 1.5, and it's a great product.
II is better in every way as someone who wants to have the closest playing experience to a real acoustic piano, and it's cheaper than a fully fledged digital piano. But alas, Ilok is AWFUL and I won't buy it. And I'm not saying it like ' rant wow fuck you I won't buy this', it's actually more 'I'm sad because I'd love to use this but it's going to give me more headaches than anything'.
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